SUMMARY: SunCluster 3.0

From: Bond, Ryan <rbond_at_ou.edu>
Date: Tue Nov 20 2001 - 12:16:43 EST
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Hello All,
 
Thanks for the quick responses on SunCluster 3.0  
 
Here are some of the replies...
 
Thanks!
Ryan
 
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I saw your message in sun managers.We were going to impliment Sun Cluster
3.0, but decided it was too much of a hassle logisticaly 
that is. 
 
We wanted to evaluate it against Veritas Cluster Server and get an eval in.
We had two choices, one we had to have a trained Sun engineer come in and
show us how to set it up, manage and configure it, but this was only
contigent on a strong potential to buy, or like 99.9999% sure of purchasing
it ultimately, which we weren't sure of, since the project was depending on
a customer's needs.
 
The other route was to go for training and that would of cost us 3500.00
bucks, and then we could get eval hardware and software in. Sun was not very
helpful and very arrogant about it. So we decided to go with Veritas Cluster
Server and Veritas Oracle DB Edition which has Quick I/O.
 
Technically it looks like a decent product, but better than Veritas, is hard
to say, but unless you have a cozy relationship with your Sun rep and/or
customer engineer, I would consider Veritas. Also Sun Cluster 3.0 seems to
be better suited for custom applications that make use of MPI.
 
I read some of the docs, I would try and look over the docs, which you can
download from Sun along with the whitepapers. 
 
Good luck with your project.
 
Chris
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My opinion is it's not worth the complexity. We've been using Sun Cluster
for a year now, it has never failed over successfully in the event of system
failure, everything just crashes.
 
We can fail over NFS manually, which is nice for system upgrades and testing
and such, but this convenience hasn't warranted the use of this product.
 
Also, we have it straight from the horse's mouth that there is no plan to
support load balancing in future versions, which was our main reason for
using this software.
 
You might want to look at Veritas Cluster.
 
Dave Foster
*********************************************************************
 
Works great...  just make sure you understand EVERYTHING about it BEFORE you

start to put it together.  There's a lot of things you need to do in a VERY 
specific order or you'll have to start all over again.
 
-t
*********************************************************************
 
3800 is not cluster certified yet
 
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Everyone I mention Sun Cluster to recommends Veritas Cluster Server. I'm not
sure why. I hear Veritas Cluster has a lot more features and is more stable
than Sun Cluster.
*********************************************************************
 
I run a couple of Sun clusters, hosting Oracle in an highly available
configuration, _not_ OPS.  We are on E3500, not the newer equipment.  In
this setup, we have had great support and the systems have performed as
advertised.  Our total downtime in the last year is less than 10 minutes.
This has _included_ maintenance windows for patch upgrades.
 
Setup, config, and doing maintenance, can be time consuming, but done
right...
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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mso-bidi-font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-family:Arial'>Thanks for the quick responses on <span
class=3DSpellE>SunCluster</span> 3.0 <span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-family:Arial'>Here are some of the =
replies...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-family:Arial'>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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mso-bidi-font-family:Arial'>Ryan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I
saw your message in sun <span class=3DSpellE>managers.We</span> were =
going to <span
class=3DSpellE>impliment</span> Sun Cluster 3.0, but decided it was too =
much of a
hassle <span class=3DSpellE>logisticaly</span> =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><span
class=3DGramE><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>that</span></font></span><font =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New"'> is. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>We
wanted to evaluate it against <span class=3DSpellE>Veritas</span> =
Cluster Server
and get an <span class=3DSpellE>eval</span> in. We had two choices, one =
we had to
have a trained Sun engineer come in and show us how to set it up, =
manage and
configure it, but this was only <span class=3DSpellE>contigent</span> =
on a strong
potential to buy, or like 99.9999% sure of purchasing it ultimately, =
which we
weren't sure of, since the project was depending on a customer's =
needs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>The
other route was to go for training and that would <span =
class=3DGramE>of</span>
cost us 3500.00 bucks, and then we could get <span =
class=3DSpellE>eval</span>
hardware and software in. Sun was not very helpful and very arrogant =
about it.
So we decided to go with <span class=3DSpellE>Veritas</span> Cluster =
Server and <span
class=3DSpellE>Veritas</span> Oracle DB Edition which has Quick =
I/O.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Technically
it looks like a decent product, but better than <span =
class=3DSpellE>Veritas</span>,
is hard to say, but unless you have a cozy relationship with your Sun =
rep
and/or customer engineer, I would consider <span =
class=3DSpellE>Veritas</span>.
Also Sun Cluster 3.0 seems to be better suited for custom applications =
that
make use of MPI.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:=
none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I
read some of the <span class=3DGramE>docs,</span> I would try and look =
over the
docs, which you can download from Sun along with the whitepapers. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Good
luck with your project.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>My
opinion is it's not worth the complexity. We've been using Sun Cluster =
for a
year now, it has never failed over successfully in the event of system =
failure,
<span class=3DGramE>everything</span> just =
crashes.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>We
can fail over NFS manually, which is nice for system upgrades and =
testing and
such, but this convenience hasn't warranted the use of this =
product.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Also,
we have it straight from the horse's mouth that there is no plan to =
support
load balancing in future versions, which was our main reason for using =
this
software.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>You
might want to look at <span class=3DSpellE>Veritas</span> =
Cluster.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Dave
Foster<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Works
great...<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>just make sure =
you
understand EVERYTHING about it BEFORE you <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><span
class=3DGramE><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>start</span></font></span><font =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New"'> to put it together.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>There's a lot of things you =
need to do
in a VERY <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><span
class=3DGramE><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>specific</span></font></span><font =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New"'> order or you'll have to start all =
over
again.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>-t<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-bidi-font-family:Arial'>3800 is not cluster certified =
yet<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>Everyone I
mention Sun Cluster to recommends <span class=3DSpellE>Veritas</span> =
Cluster
Server. I'm not sure why. I hear <span class=3DSpellE>Veritas</span> =
Cluster has
a lot more features and is more stable than Sun =
Cluster.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-family:Arial'>********************************************=
*************************<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I
run a couple of Sun clusters, hosting Oracle in <span =
class=3DGramE>an</span>
highly available configuration, _not_ OPS.<span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;
</span>We are on E3500, not the newer equipment.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>In this setup, we have had =
great support
and the systems have performed as advertised.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>Our total downtime in the last =
year is
less than 10 minutes.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; =
</span>This has
_included_ maintenance windows for patch =
upgrades.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Setup, <span class=3DSpellE>config</span>, =
and doing
maintenance, can be time consuming, but done =
right...</span></font><font
face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-family:"Courier =
New";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-family:Arial'>********************************************=
*************************<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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