Hi Everyone,
Here is my original query.
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I am curious if anyone out there has experience with
> using the raid option in DiskSuite.
>
> Here is my problem:
> I using DiskSuite there other day, and created a
> 4 4GB raid system. Obviously when I mounted this
> new raid system and looked at the disk space it
> showe me that I had room for about 12GB which is
> fine, because RAID5 has a redundant disk.
>
> However, when I went to grow the raid to 5 4GB disks,
> metatool reported 15GB available, but when I mounted
> the file system, it showed me 12GB. Which I thought
> was strange.
>
> I checked the output of metastat and it said that
> 4 disks were raided and 1 was Concatenated. Here
> is the output.
>
> hermes{root}57% ./metastat
> d10: RAID
> State: Okay
> Interlace: 20480 blocks
> Size: 33421680 blocks
> Original device:
> Size: 25067520 blocks
> Device Start Block Dbase State Hot Spare
> c1t2d0s7 5376 No Okay
> c1t3d0s7 5376 No Okay
> c1t4d0s7 5376 No Okay
> c1t5d0s7 5376 No Okay
> Concatenated Devices:
> Size: 8355840 blocks
> Device Start Block Dbase State Hot Spare
> c1t8d0s7
>
> Does anyone know why this is, I thought I could
> grow a raid system at anytime, but all the space
> would be reported.....
>
> I have to admit, I might be growing the raid system
> wrong, if anyone has any ideas....let me know
>
> Thanks and I will summarize
>
> Chris
> --
In summary,
It seems the only way to add another disk to a raid 5 system is to concatenate
one and then run a growfs. This really slows down performance and is not
recommended.
Therefore it seems the best way to add a disk to a existing raid system using
disksuite is to back everything up.... delete and then recreate the raid with
the additional disks and then extract everthing back on the disks....
I have enclosed all the people who replied to my message...
Thanks
Chris
>From arthur@avalon.csg.psi.com Mon Sep 15 10:51:33 1997
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|Does anyone know why this is, I thought I could
|grow a raid system at anytime, but all the space
|would be reported.....
The underlying partition is larger -- to grow the filesystem
to fit the entire partition, use "growfs". The reason for
this is that the filesystem has a size that is not changed
when you add more disks to the partition.
If you want to have a 5 disk raid-5, instead of a 4-disk + 1 concat,
you will need to rebuild the device. When you do that, you will
need to newfs the partition and restore the data from a backup.
In that case the newfs will fill the entire disk slice (by default)
and so you won't have to growfs it.
-arthur
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>Hi Everyone,
>
>I am curious if anyone out there has experience with
>using the raid option in DiskSuite.
>
>Here is my problem:
>I using DiskSuite there other day, and created a
>4 4GB raid system. Obviously when I mounted this
>new raid system and looked at the disk space it
>showe me that I had room for about 12GB which is
>fine, because RAID5 has a redundant disk.
>
>However, when I went to grow the raid to 5 4GB disks,
>metatool reported 15GB available, but when I mounted
>the file system, it showed me 12GB. Which I thought
>was strange.
>
>I checked the output of metastat and it said that
>4 disks were raided and 1 was Concatenated. Here
>is the output.
>
Unfortunately, DiskSuite cannot add disks to RAID5. In fact, there aren't
many packages that can. Think about it, going from 3 data blocks + 1 parity
blocks in your existing RAID to 4+1 when you add the disk is very
complicated. During the transition, the data would also be very vulnerable
to a disk failure.
Your only option is to back up the RAID, wipe it out, re-create the RAID
with the 5 drives, and restore the data. Ugly, but safe.
The smart way to add to the RAID5 is to add 5 drives at a time. Your
original RAID contains 5 drives (the optimal number for storage utilization
and performance), then the second RAID has 5 more, which is concatenated
onto the first RAID.
One piece of advice: try to be sure that each RAID only has one disk on
each SCSI chain. If your SCSI bus hangs ODS will mark all drives on it as
bad, and if you had more than one disk from your array on that SCSI chain,
it will go down. I've been there, and rebuilding/restoring 30GB of data
takes a LONG time. Live and Learn.
Karl
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At 11:54 PM 9/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Everyone,
>
>I am curious if anyone out there has experience with
>using the raid option in DiskSuite.
>
>Here is my problem:
>I using DiskSuite there other day, and created a
>4 4GB raid system. Obviously when I mounted this
>new raid system and looked at the disk space it
>showe me that I had room for about 12GB which is
>fine, because RAID5 has a redundant disk.
>
>However, when I went to grow the raid to 5 4GB disks,
>metatool reported 15GB available, but when I mounted
>the file system, it showed me 12GB. Which I thought
>was strange.
>
>I checked the output of metastat and it said that
>4 disks were raided and 1 was Concatenated. Here
>is the output.
>
>hermes{root}57% ./metastat
>d10: RAID
> State: Okay
> Interlace: 20480 blocks
> Size: 33421680 blocks
>Original device:
> Size: 25067520 blocks
> Device Start Block Dbase State Hot Spare
> c1t2d0s7 5376 No Okay
> c1t3d0s7 5376 No Okay
> c1t4d0s7 5376 No Okay
> c1t5d0s7 5376 No Okay
>Concatenated Devices:
> Size: 8355840 blocks
> Device Start Block Dbase State Hot Spare
> c1t8d0s7
>
>Does anyone know why this is, I thought I could
>grow a raid system at anytime, but all the space
>would be reported.....
>
>I have to admit, I might be growing the raid system
>wrong, if anyone has any ideas....let me know
>
>Thanks and I will summarize
>
>Chris
>--
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You can, and you did grow the RAID; However, you can only way to grow is by
concatenation. If your want the new disk to be part of RAID 5, you will
need to destroy and rebuild.
Also don't be confused between growing the RAID, and growing the
FileSystem. Once you add a new partition to a metapartition, you will need
to run 'growfs' to grow the filesystem to fill the available metapartition.
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Once yo have increased the size of the physical device (using metattach
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> Hi Everyone,
>
> I am curious if anyone out there has experience with
> using the raid option in DiskSuite.
>
> Here is my problem:
> I using DiskSuite there other day, and created a
> 4 4GB raid system. Obviously when I mounted this
> new raid system and looked at the disk space it
> showe me that I had room for about 12GB which is
> fine, because RAID5 has a redundant disk.
>
> However, when I went to grow the raid to 5 4GB disks,
> metatool reported 15GB available, but when I mounted
> the file system, it showed me 12GB. Which I thought
> was strange.
>
> I checked the output of metastat and it said that
> 4 disks were raided and 1 was Concatenated. Here
> is the output.
>
> hermes{root}57% ./metastat
> d10: RAID
> State: Okay
> Interlace: 20480 blocks
> Size: 33421680 blocks
> Original device:
> Size: 25067520 blocks
> Device Start Block Dbase State Hot Spare
> c1t2d0s7 5376 No Okay
> c1t3d0s7 5376 No Okay
> c1t4d0s7 5376 No Okay
> c1t5d0s7 5376 No Okay
> Concatenated Devices:
> Size: 8355840 blocks
> Device Start Block Dbase State Hot Spare
> c1t8d0s7
>
> Does anyone know why this is, I thought I could
> grow a raid system at anytime, but all the space
> would be reported.....
>
> I have to admit, I might be growing the raid system
> wrong, if anyone has any ideas....let me know
>
> Thanks and I will summarize
>
> Chris
> --
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The doco that comes with 4.1 indicated to me that growing a RAID 5 device
was not recommended and is one of the downsides to RAID 5. It indicated
that it was possible but that performance would suffer. I have never tried
it though...
At 23:54 13-09-97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Everyone,
>
>I am curious if anyone out there has experience with
>using the raid option in DiskSuite.
>
>Here is my problem:
>I using DiskSuite there other day, and created a
>4 4GB raid system. Obviously when I mounted this
>new raid system and looked at the disk space it
>showe me that I had room for about 12GB which is
>fine, because RAID5 has a redundant disk.
>
>However, when I went to grow the raid to 5 4GB disks,
>metatool reported 15GB available, but when I mounted
>the file system, it showed me 12GB. Which I thought
>was strange.
>
>I checked the output of metastat and it said that
>4 disks were raided and 1 was Concatenated. Here
>is the output.
>
>hermes{root}57% ./metastat
>d10: RAID
> State: Okay
> Interlace: 20480 blocks
> Size: 33421680 blocks
>Original device:
> Size: 25067520 blocks
> Device Start Block Dbase State Hot Spare
> c1t2d0s7 5376 No Okay
> c1t3d0s7 5376 No Okay
> c1t4d0s7 5376 No Okay
> c1t5d0s7 5376 No Okay
>Concatenated Devices:
> Size: 8355840 blocks
> Device Start Block Dbase State Hot Spare
> c1t8d0s7
>
>Does anyone know why this is, I thought I could
>grow a raid system at anytime, but all the space
>would be reported.....
>
>I have to admit, I might be growing the raid system
>wrong, if anyone has any ideas....let me know
>
>Thanks and I will summarize
>
>Chris
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After extending the logical volume, you then need to extend the filesystem.
All the filesystem headers made with newfs all say it's a 12Gb disk. You
need to extend the filesystem so it knows about the extra disks.
I don't know the command to do this. I've not actually _used_ raid on a
Sun yet, but I read about it on the Solaris 2.6 manuals, and you have to
do the same for HPUX. Try extendfs or something...
In a recent message, Christopher E. Olaes said:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I am curious if anyone out there has experience with
> using the raid option in DiskSuite.
>
> Here is my problem:
> I using DiskSuite there other day, and created a
> 4 4GB raid system. Obviously when I mounted this
> new raid system and looked at the disk space it
> showe me that I had room for about 12GB which is
> fine, because RAID5 has a redundant disk.
>
> However, when I went to grow the raid to 5 4GB disks,
> metatool reported 15GB available, but when I mounted
> the file system, it showed me 12GB. Which I thought
> was strange.
>
> I checked the output of metastat and it said that
> 4 disks were raided and 1 was Concatenated. Here
> is the output.
>
> hermes{root}57% ./metastat
> d10: RAID
> State: Okay
> Interlace: 20480 blocks
> Size: 33421680 blocks
> Original device:
> Size: 25067520 blocks
> Device Start Block Dbase State Hot Spare
> c1t2d0s7 5376 No Okay
> c1t3d0s7 5376 No Okay
> c1t4d0s7 5376 No Okay
> c1t5d0s7 5376 No Okay
> Concatenated Devices:
> Size: 8355840 blocks
> Device Start Block Dbase State Hot Spare
> c1t8d0s7
>
> Does anyone know why this is, I thought I could
> grow a raid system at anytime, but all the space
> would be reported.....
>
> I have to admit, I might be growing the raid system
> wrong, if anyone has any ideas....let me know
>
> Thanks and I will summarize
>
> Chris
> --
> ******************************************************************************
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> * National Institutes of Health*
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> *Beeper(301)701-4442 Building 10, Room B1D161 *
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Even though you have done a growfs, You must now do a metainit on the device you
grew.
Try that out and see what happens
kris
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From: "Christopher E. Olaes" <colaes@hercules.nhlbi.nih.gov>
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Subject: Growing Raid (Disk Suite)
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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 23:54:10 -0400 (EDT)
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Hi Everyone,
I am curious if anyone out there has experience with
using the raid option in DiskSuite.
Here is my problem:
I using DiskSuite there other day, and created a
4 4GB raid system. Obviously when I mounted this
new raid system and looked at the disk space it
showe me that I had room for about 12GB which is
fine, because RAID5 has a redundant disk.
However, when I went to grow the raid to 5 4GB disks,
metatool reported 15GB available, but when I mounted
the file system, it showed me 12GB. Which I thought
was strange.
I checked the output of metastat and it said that
4 disks were raided and 1 was Concatenated. Here
is the output.
hermes{root}57% ./metastat
d10: RAID
State: Okay
Interlace: 20480 blocks
Size: 33421680 blocks
Original device:
Size: 25067520 blocks
Device Start Block Dbase State Hot Spare
c1t2d0s7 5376 No Okay
c1t3d0s7 5376 No Okay
c1t4d0s7 5376 No Okay
c1t5d0s7 5376 No Okay
Concatenated Devices:
Size: 8355840 blocks
Device Start Block Dbase State Hot Spare
c1t8d0s7
Does anyone know why this is, I thought I could
grow a raid system at anytime, but all the space
would be reported.....
I have to admit, I might be growing the raid system
wrong, if anyone has any ideas....let me know
Thanks and I will summarize
Chris
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